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on 05-03-2025 05:37 PM
I'm looking for some verification about whether the issue I have is isolated to me, my area, or if it's a general Three-wide problem as I think it is.
I use Three 5G broadband and I'm about 50 metres away from the gNodeB so I've got excellent uninterrupted signal. It's not a Layer 1 problem I'm facing. The problem I have is that TCP connections are terminated prematurely (i.e. a RST packet is sent) before all data is received. Here's a simple test to verify if you have the problem or not.
The following command will attempt to download an 8MiB file (all NULs) from a website in AWS. It should work the same on Linux, MacOS, and modern Windows computers just the same. For me, I get the error "curl: (18) transfer closed with XXXXXX bytes remaining to read", which is the problem.
curl -H "Connection: close" https://electricworry.net/test-8 -o test-curl
If you're not comfortable connecting to my server, the following third-party download test should produce the same result (it does for me!):
curl -H "Connection: close" https://files.testfile.org/ZIPC/15MB-Corrupt-Testfile.Org.zip -o test-curl
When I tested, I collected a packet capture at both sides and I can see that my server sends the whole 8MiB file in the TLS session and then terminates the connection with a RST packet at the end (which it does because we sent a "Connection: close" header). However on my client side, only half of the file comes through before the session is impolitely terminated.
Would people on Three 5G broadband mind testing please to help confirm/deny whether this is a general problem or an individual one?
I've done a lot of testing over the past month and I've got a hypothesis.
Ultimately, my hypothesis is that Three have some sort of connection buffering to optimise the user experience or maybe to prevent wasted re-transmissions, but there's a glaring bug in it whereby it resets the connection and discards the buffer it holds for the session once the server has closed the connection. This would make sense for an ISP based solely on a Radio Area Network because if clients exist in grey spots where the connection can go down momentarily much of the time it is helpful to buffer the lost packets for the clients rather than have the server spamming their link with retries of the unACKd packets (and further polluting the radio waves). So I think Three ACKing the packets on my behalf is by design. Only the implementation is bad and it mistakenly assumes it can throw away the buffer when the server terminates the connection.
Any help/testing/solidarity would be much appreciated because Three technical support have been zero help since I raised it with them over a month ago. I sent over detailed evidence, but all they can muster is a call occasionally to incorrectly restate the problem and ask if I'm still having it. Really awful experience; I've never seen a team so completely unable to escalate to responsible people who might actually be able to help eventually.
a month ago
good point, and that made me have a peek at nginx latest release notes.
Which URL did you use to test?
but I guess electricworry made up his mind
a month ago
It is not what @Gardinerr suggests. To prove it's not some Apache vs Nginx difference, I went ahead and switched my webserver (which is only up for testing anyway) from Nginx to Apache.
If you visit https://electricworry.net/ you'll clearly see it's an Apache installation. The only thing I've done to it is add an SSL certificate so that it's representative of the problem.
$ curl -H "Connection: keep-alive" https://electricworry.net/test-8 -o test-curl
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
100 8192k 100 8192k 0 0 2705k 0 0:00:03 0:00:03 --:--:-- 2706k
$ curl -H "Connection: close" https://electricworry.net/test-8 -o test-curl
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
51 8192k 51 4195k 0 0 2205k 0 0:00:03 0:00:01 0:00:02 2204k
curl: (18) transfer closed with 4092646 bytes remaining to read
@Gardinerr, want to try it too?
4 weeks ago
I tried both commands but they failed (after about a minute) with a SSL connect error:
LibreSSL SSL_connect: SSL_ERROR_SYSCALL in connection to electricworry.net:443
I thought this might be something to do with the way the Mac resolves hostnames under IPV6. Consequently, I switched to an IPV4-only connection but got the same error.
4 weeks ago
Sorry, definitely not a problem at your end. The server fell over (which is what always happens when I run Apache on low RAM server, due to massive probing from botnets).
It's running again. You've got from now until next time it falls over (could be hours or days); after that I'm switching back to Nginx.
4 weeks ago - last edited 4 weeks ago
Over broadband
Over Three mobile phone hotspot
4 weeks ago
It's really interesting that the problem doesn't appear with mobile phone hotspot but does with the ZTE and (if Gardinerr is right) the Zyxel routers. I've still not tried putting the SIM card in my mobile phone but I might get a chance over the weekend.
4 weeks ago
If you get a chance, please report your findings for me, it's all information I can add to the report.
Thanks.
Pete.
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4 weeks ago
Ok, I put the 3 SIM into my mobile phone and I connected my computer to the phone's hotspot. I also ensured that my phone's WiFi (client) was turned off so that there's no doubt my phone is routing via the mobile data and not some other access point.
The test produced the same results:
electricworry@BOB1:~/projects/download-test$ curl -H "Connection: close" https://electricworry.net/test-8 -o test-curl
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
50 8192k 50 4140k 0 0 1991k 0 0:00:04 0:00:02 0:00:02 1991k
curl: (18) transfer closed with 4148646 bytes remaining to read
electricworry@BOB1:~/projects/download-test$ curl -H "Connection: keep-alive" https://electricworry.net/test-8 -o test-curl
% Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
100 8192k 100 8192k 0 0 3402k 0 0:00:02 0:00:02 --:--:-- 3403k
So that rules out the device as the cause. There has to be some kind of connection optimisation system on the network with an implementation flaw. That or I'm being monitored by the authorities and there's a bug in their platform. 😁
3 weeks ago
Thanks for doing that.
Pete.
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on 07-03-2025 07:39 PM
Hello.
Waw, that's really interesting. Your testing should be useful. I don't know the answer and don't have a way of finding out directly, I'll need to speak to another team internally to find out more. Hopefully I can find some useful into to come back to you with.
Pete.
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